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« on: October 12, 2015, 08:37:18 PM »

ATSC 3.0

Here is a link to an article on the ATSC 3.0 standard for anyone interested. I thought it was a good read.

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http://www.cedmagazine.com/article/2015/10/capital-currents-what-good-quality-atsc-30-television-signal?et_cid=4864103&et_rid=647969182&location=top


More on ATSC 3.0 here:

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http://atsc.org/newsletter/atsc-3-0-where-we-stand/


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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2015, 10:38:02 PM »

Maybe they will take enough time that I won't be around to have to contend with new tvs, etc.  So much for backward compatibility. It was required when they added stereo to FM, it still had to be able to be received on a mono FM receiver. Yes, i'm telling my age, but I'm not ashamed of my age. But at the old song says; "It's not the age on this old frame, it's the mileage that is slowing me down."  lol   E_V
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2015, 01:51:46 AM »

El_Viejo,

A$ M$ would tell you, backward compatibility don't make money, $o why make it !

All Brand $pankin New i$ where the money i$ and that will be what come$ to the Market - It'$ all about the money$.

And that i$ the truth.

And believe it or not, DIGITAL i$ better, or $o i have heard, but i $till need $omeone to $how me where.

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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2015, 03:29:14 PM »

Strange, but I agree with both of you.  Yes El Viejo; the "new" color signals had to be able to be seen on a B/W Tv.  I also know that most things made now are NOT ment to last very long, otherwise we would only buy them once!  I still have a few "OLD" things that still work pretty well, including myself.  Jess out in California
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2015, 12:07:16 AM »

jimlw1, my son that passed about 8 years ago always said when he talked about lawyers, etc, 'it's all about the money!' I get ur point.  Jess, I didn't think of the color tv part of it, but that was the case.  If u will remember the government subsidized the digital converters for those that wanted them. Then our esteemed leader kept wanting to delay the changeover.   oh well, get off my soapbox, lol    E_V
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2016, 12:19:26 AM »

Strange, but I agree with both of you.  Yes El Viejo; the "new" color signals had to be able to be seen on a B/W Tv.  I also know that most things made now are NOT ment to last very long, otherwise we would only buy them once!  I still have a few "OLD" things that still work pretty well, including myself.  Jess out in California

You're not old Jess, and we all know you work well, from reading what you've posted.

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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2016, 04:04:06 PM »

Was just reading more on some of the "good" possibilities  of this upcoming ATSC 3.0 on the   .com link of     cutcabletoday . Been concerned since Hyper first brought this to my attention months ago . They point out that the transition will be quite different than the analog to hd we experienced a few years ago .    But also mention how a small indoor antenna might receive stations 60 miles away and abilities to watch on our phones data free , if  the cellphone manufacturers get on board .     The analog to hd worked out better than I thought , maybe this might have hope .
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2017, 10:17:49 AM »

Some of those rumors are true. For the antennas to receive, yes this system will be better, but not the 60 mile out with a rabbit ears is not going to happen. But urban areas will be good to go!

We will have ATSC 3.0 tuner in June and hopefully July delivery of such products.

Stay tuned.

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2018, 07:41:34 PM »

An update about support for ATSC 3.0. This is part of an article being written for a trade magazine.

Manhattan-Digital in Wisconsin hopes to specialize in multimedia set top boxes, with plans for a dual ATSC 1.0/3.0 device to be available this coming fall (2018), at a very competitive price.  The reality of the ATSC 3.0 situation is that there are ZERO reception devices in the homes of Americans as of this writing. Assuming a rough number of 2.5 to 3.0 televisions per household in this country, the potential exists for the need to have between 250 and 300 million ATSC 3.0 reception devices in order to receive this new programming standard.

People will NOT spend money to replace every television set, and the only practical way for most households to participate in continued free over-the-air reception is with a set-top box capable of the new 3.0 standard, as well as the old ATSC 1.0 system. Existing and planned televisions are woefully lacking in abilities such as program storage (think DVR and TIVO-like devices). This is much more easily accomplished with a reasonably priced set-top box.

Multiple set-top configurations could cost effectively allow a mix of subscription and free TV, delivered by local VHF and UHF television frequencies, direct internet, and satellite reception. Estimates as high as 55 million have been thrown about for the numbers of sets and converters presently antenna-equipped for local reception.

Intelligent rollout of ATSC 3.0 could spur further interest in local TV antennas, possibly reviving that industry.




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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2019, 09:08:16 AM »

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The start has been announced. This year we will see ATSC 3.0 and the way it looks, Sinclair will help with tuners to help with the transition. In my opinion, when this happens everyone will have to switch or start loosing revenue to Sinclair.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2019, 12:02:22 PM »

Any update when an ATSC 3.0 STB will become available???


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An update about support for ATSC 3.0. This is part of an article being written for a trade magazine.

Manhattan-Digital in Wisconsin hopes to specialize in multimedia set top boxes, with plans for a dual ATSC 1.0/3.0 device to be available this coming fall (2018), at a very competitive price.  The reality of the ATSC 3.0 situation is that there are ZERO reception devices in the homes of Americans as of this writing. Assuming a rough number of 2.5 to 3.0 televisions per household in this country, the potential exists for the need to have between 250 and 300 million ATSC 3.0 reception devices in order to receive this new programming standard.

People will NOT spend money to replace every television set, and the only practical way for most households to participate in continued free over-the-air reception is with a set-top box capable of the new 3.0 standard, as well as the old ATSC 1.0 system. Existing and planned televisions are woefully lacking in abilities such as program storage (think DVR and TIVO-like devices). This is much more easily accomplished with a reasonably priced set-top box.

Multiple set-top configurations could cost effectively allow a mix of subscription and free TV, delivered by local VHF and UHF television frequencies, direct internet, and satellite reception. Estimates as high as 55 million have been thrown about for the numbers of sets and converters presently antenna-equipped for local reception.

Intelligent rollout of ATSC 3.0 could spur further interest in local TV antennas, possibly reviving that industry.




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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2019, 06:02:22 PM »

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ATSC 3.0 Was "here" in 2017 and again in 2018. This thread spans some 5 years, with promises or expectations of a fta ATSC 3.0 receiver in 2017, and 2018. Expect another promise of a 3.0 receiver for 2019. Do this every year and sooner or later, you will be right!
A good sign that ATSC 3.0 is finally "here" will be when people start posting videos of ATSC 3.0 transmissions done with consumer grade televisions, tuners, or receivers.

Reality is a bit different. The U.S. market is not embracing 3.0 technology as was hoped or expected. Vague target dates for ATSC 3.0 transmissions to happen somewhere between 2020 and 2023 have not changed much. And to date, there is one high priced ATSC 1.0/3.0 dongle tuner on the market. In reality, ATSC 3.0 was more about selling frequency spectrum than anything else. This is easy to see by the way the rules are written.

High priced televisions with ATSC 1.0/3.0 tuners might be in a few stores by Black Friday, 2019. A better bet would be first quarter of 2020 for televisions with 1.0/3.0 tuners to be available in stores. I doubt you see a fta receiver with an internal ATSC 3.0 tuner before the televisions with these tuners are available.  We will see...

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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2019, 09:12:33 AM »

As we all know there are still some people that think the world is flat even today. That said, 26 markets will be lit up for broadcast this year. Dallas, Phoenix, Chicago to name 3, will have consumer broadcasting this year. Sinclair has announced that they will help get receivers to the consumer. That is enough for me. Nothing was planned before now except "Test" broadcasts and everyone that has paid attention knows that. There was a lot of talk about local stations getting the receivers to the public through programs so the consumer can afford it as an option that was viable. Maybe look to the markets that start this year as to how the receiver thing might work. That said, nobody really knows the actual cost of a consumer unit. All we have seen so far is dongles made for engineers long with the software package to play. That is where the expense comes in at the present time. Just like you can still spend thousands today on any receiver. All along I thought that broadcasts for the consumer wouldn't be till this year or next. Well, there are a lot of stations in 26 markets. We will see for sure how soon this transpires, but from an emergency broadcast point of view, I look for stations to give away receivers like they do smoke detectors and selling it as a public safety issue is not a stretch as the emergency first responders want this. The chip has been released. The thing that will keep the price down in my humble opinion is the fact that the chip is universal covering all video formats around the world. So manufacturers don't have to worry because so many numbers will be produced world wide the numbers will help with cost. Anyway here is the chip press release...

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2019, 10:01:33 AM »

Here are the stations owned by Sinclair...
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And here is a PDF on the chip that was developed and now released... 
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And here is the way the first responders look at it and why they are behind it.. 
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http://www.videa.tv/2019/01/the-atsc-3-0-emergency-alert-a-boon-for-communities-and-local-tv-stations/
 

And yes the stations must carry their "Primary" broadcast for 5 years after starting their 3.0 signal. That is the "Primary" channel for those that might of missed it the first time... There is no mandate to simulcast 3.0 transmissions of sub channels. That is a non debatable fact. There is simply not enough bandwidth to do that. So ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, and the like will be simulcast. Forget the sub channels due to bandwidth limitations. Many channels are looking to light up as they switch to their new frequency. However there is no way to know how many will be able to pull it off. Bearing that in mind, if a small channel in Santa Barbra can afford it, so can everyone else making cost not as expensive as some would like to believe.
 
 Oh yea, Hyper.... Looks like East Lansing will be lit up this year.
 
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2019, 10:26:43 PM »

Well; Looks like there is some 3.0 testing going on out in Fresno, California!  Decades on 8.2 on Transmitter 18 is in 720p and picture is "herringbone" but the audio is ok.  There are two other ch.s 27.2 and 27.3 that are received fine that are on Transmitter18 also.  Most re-pak is done with a couple that will transition in 2020.  Jess out in Fresno, California
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