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« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2019, 11:22:28 AM »

"Scare" tactic Are your words. Please take time to fully watch the second video in post #24 and you will be educated or at least understand what some will be concerned with. Not everyone has  a smartphone or a Facebook account.

PBS is  a Public Broadcasting System. Do not look for them to go to ATSC 3.0 without keeping an ATSC 1.0 option.

Low Power Television Service or LPTV  has a limited viewing area when compared to a full power tv service in the same area, and does normally not have the profit margin of a full power television service. You can think what you want or advertise what you want, but it would be suicide for any of these stations to switch over to ATSC 3.0 right now, and probably for at least 5 years to come. You can expect a lot of the LPTV's to stay at ATSC 1.0 indefinitely.  We will see...


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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2019, 06:43:38 AM »

Not scare tactics. Truth. Here is the filing.

Code:
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/10220062617978/PMC%20Comments%20-%20ATSC%203.0%20FCC%20Further%20Notice%20of%20Proposed%20Rulemaking.pdf

 Page 5 is clear about the Flash-cutting. Posting and talking about developments isn't scare tactics. It is simply being informative.

 Then there is the decision.... Paragraph 40 and 41 tell about the exemption from simulcasting is exempted for LPTV stations and TV Translator stations.

  "d. Simulcast exception for LPTV and TV translator stations
40. We exempt LPTV and TV translator stations from our local simulcasting requirement and
allow these stations to elect to transition directly to 3.0 service. LPTV and TV translator stations electing
to transition directly must first file an application to convert their facilities to 3.0 operation. In addition,
they must comply with the MVPD notification and consumer education requirements adopted herein.
41. We adopt this simulcast exception for LPTV and TV translator stations in recognition of
the fact that they face unique challenges in locating a simulcast partner. As a practical matter, many are
not located near another LPTV or TV translator station and they may not be attractive simulcast partners
for full power stations because of their lower power and coverage area.121
 In addition, because LPTV and
TV translator stations are secondary, they are subject to displacement by primary full power and Class A
stations, further reducing their desirability as partner host stations. Absent an exemption from our local
simulcasting requirement, LPTV and TV translator stations could be denied the opportunity to implement
ATSC 3.0 service until the Commission eliminates the simulcast requirement.122

42. We recognize that permitting LPTV and TV translator stations to transition directly to
ATSC 3.0 could deprive those OTA viewers without ATSC 3.0 TV sets or converter equipment of the
important programming these stations provide.123
 MVPD subscribers could also be affected if MVPDs
are not prepared to carry ATSC 3.0 signals on the date of a direct transition.
124 Although we recognize
that permitting LPTV and TV translator stations to transition directly may cause some consumer
disruption, in light of the unique circumstances faced by LPTV and TV translator stations we conclude
that providing these stations with the option to transition directly will best ensure that they are able to
deploy ATSC 3.0 technology.
43. Exempting LPTV and TV translator stations from the local simulcasting requirement will
have the added benefit of allowing these stations to serve as “lighthouse” stations, thereby providing an
ATSC 3.0 host option for other full power, Class A, LPTV, and TV translator stations that wish to partner
with them.125
 LPTV stations could, therefore, serve an important role in market-wide simulcast
arrangements by permitting other stations to experiment with 3.0 service while maintaining ATSC 1.0
service on their existing facility. As noted above, our goal is to encourage Next Gen TV broadcasters to
initiate 3.0 service on another facility initially while maintaining their 1.0 simulcast signal at the station’s
existing location, when possible, to help avoid disruption to viewers and MVPDs. LPTV stations that
elect to transition directly and to serve as ATSC 3.0 host stations could thus play a significant role in
facilitating the conversion to 3.0 technology.126
 While viewers without ATSC 3.0-capable equipment
would lose access to LPTV and TV translator stations that elect to transition directly, these stations may
also provide innovative 3.0 programming that could help drive consumer adoption of such equipment.
Thus, on balance, we believe that the benefit of permitting these stations to transition directly outweighs
the potential harm.
44. Finally, our decision to exempt LPTV and TV translator stations from our local
simulcasting requirement will ensure that analog LPTV and TV translator stations and stations that have
been displaced due to the post-incentive auction repacking process are not forced to build both an ATSC
1.0 and an ATSC 3.0 facility. The Commission has determined that LPTV and TV translator stations
must complete their transition to digital service by July 13, 2021.127
 The Commission previously changed  this deadline to ensure that analog LPTV and TV translator stations would not be forced to complete their
digital conversion only to find that their newly constructed digital facilities were displaced as a result of
the incentive auction repacking process, thus necessitating a significant additional expenditure to locate a
new channel and modify their digital facilities accordingly.128
 Many digital LPTV stations will also be
required to seek new channels and construct new facilities as a result of the incentive auction. By
exempting LPTV and TV translator stations from the simulcasting requirement, we similarly avoid
forcing these stations to make significant expenditures in new ATSC 1.0 facilities by July 13, 2021 only
later to be faced with a further expenditure of resources if the station chooses to convert those facilities to
ATSC 3.0.129

45. We decline to restrict the ability of LPTV and TV translator stations affiliated with a
broadcast network to directly transition, as advocated by ATVA.130
 We are not persuaded that there is
any reasoned basis to give network affiliated stations less flexibility than other secondary stations in this
respect.131
 These stations may face the same challenges finding a simulcast partner as other LPTV and
TV translator stations, and we believe they should have the same opportunity to serve as potential ATSC
3.0 “lighthouse” stations.132
 We note that we are affording LPTV and TV translator stations with the
opportunity to transition directly, but are not requiring them to do so.133
 Thus, any LPTV or TV translator
station that wishes to deploy ATSC 3.0 service may elect to air both an ATSC 1.0 and ATSC 3.0 stream
by partnering with another station rather than transitioning directly. Stations that transition directly could
also consider taking steps to minimize the disruption to viewers, such as offering free converter devices
(e.g., an external tuner dongle, set-top box, or gateway device) that enable ATSC 1.0-only receivers to be
upgraded to receive ATSC 3.0 transmissions. LPTV and TV translator stations that elect voluntarily to
simulcast must comply with the simulcasting requirements we adopt herein, including the substantially
similar programming requirement and the coverage requirements related to ATSC 1.0 and 3.0 signals.
Applying these requirements to LPTV and TV translator stations that simulcast is consistent with the goal......."

 And I could go on for many more pages. But for those that need all the info here is the link... In those pages you will read that ALL LPTV stations must have Next-Gen TV by 2021. That is a FCC requirement now it appears when you read the new rules.

Code:
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db1120/FCC-17-158A1.pdf

 Like I have said before. I do not pretend to know more than the people actually deploying this new system.
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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2019, 09:24:14 PM »

The transition from ATSC 1.0 to ATSC 3.0 is strictly voluntary!
No LPTV station has to transmit Next-Gen TV or ATSC 3.0 by 2021. ATSC 1.0 can continue indefinitely. You are welcome to show where any FCC document states otherwise.

PBS gets its operating money from where?
LPTV gets its operating money from where?

You will be mighty lucky if any PBS and LPTV stations switch to Next-Gen TV or ATSC 3.0 standards for at least a few years. The only way most of these types of stations can afford to switch will only be when Next-Gen TV or ATSC 3.0 tuners are commonly found in American households. It will take years for that to happen, not months. Some PBS and LPTV stations will probably stay at ATSC 1.0 indefinitely.

The mesh dish salesman says the cord cutters are switching to c band satellite.
The ATSC 3.0 salesman says the cord cutters are switching to OTA tv services.
In reality, more cord cutters are switching to IPTV services than satellite or OTA tv.

ATSC 3.0 is designed to be used with an internet connection. Will be interesting to see how that goes over.  Kendra Chamberlain has some thoughts about that and explains a rational reason for the "free" ATSC 3.0 smartphone chips. (See link)

Code:
https://broadbandnow.com/report/sinclair-next-gen-tv/

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« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2019, 07:17:45 AM »

The transition from ATSC 1.0 to ATSC 3.0 is strictly voluntary!
No LPTV station has to transmit Next-Gen TV or ATSC 3.0 by 2021. ATSC 1.0 can continue indefinitely. You are welcome to show where any FCC document states otherwise.

PBS gets its operating money from where?
LPTV gets its operating money from where?

You will be mighty lucky if any PBS and LPTV stations switch to Next-Gen TV or ATSC 3.0 standards for at least a few years. The only way most of these types of stations can afford to switch will only be when Next-Gen TV or ATSC 3.0 tuners are commonly found in American households. It will take years for that to happen, not months. Some PBS and LPTV stations will probably stay at ATSC 1.0 indefinitely.

The mesh dish salesman says the cord cutters are switching to c band satellite.
The ATSC 3.0 salesman says the cord cutters are switching to OTA tv services.
In reality, more cord cutters are switching to IPTV services than satellite or OTA tv.

ATSC 3.0 is designed to be used with an internet connection. Will be interesting to see how that goes over.  Kendra Chamberlain has some thoughts about that and explains a rational reason for the "free" ATSC 3.0 smartphone chips. (See link)

Code:
https://broadbandnow.com/report/sinclair-next-gen-tv/





  Well good day my friend. Lets take this one by one to help you understand. To the first point you make. Switching is voluntary. Correct. So was manufacturing cars in the day of the horse and buggy. How did that work out for those that stuck with the horse and buggy?

 Your second question... I did post the document if you care to read it. And that is not an ordinary document. That is an "Order". The rules if you will that were just changed recently. In that paper it tells how the LPTV and PBS stations can't afford to do the frequency switch and go for the new system unless they can flash-cut. So the rules were changed to allow that. Maybe not on your planet, but they were here as you will see if you read the entire document before offering an opinion. For your information with all due respect my local PBS station already has a banner up telling of PBS Kids coming soon. As far as doubting about PBS? DOH! They are supported by us along with Government Grants! The government is paying their way with some proceeds from the auction. At least that is the way it is set up. By the way certian other stations are getting grants to pay for stuff to. Who Knew? Anyway they can't afford to buy a new transmitter for the frequency change and then go to the new system. So they get exempted from the double illumination of their signal and are allowed to go straight to the new system. For me that means this fall. Here the stations that must change frequency have bought and installed new ATSC transmitters and can flip as early as this November. One station already has lit up 6 more sub-channels in preparation. Maybe Atlanta is stuck in the Flintstone era, but the rest of the Country is not.

 As for the tuners, it has been spelled out again in the document from the FCC if you even care to read it. The chip that was released last February is a chip that covers all standards in broadcasting. The demand for that regardless of the new ATSC 3 system is plenty to keep the price down because it can be made and used now by currant broadcast standards worldwide.

 Next point.... Your so called mesh salesman.... No mesh salesman is saying that unless they think you are not smart. The problem with that is 5G.... They are stripping bandwidth from the C-band spectrum. They are talking having to get new LNB's as opposed to a new dish in order to block out the 5G interference they are expecting. Read up on the 5G stuff my friend.

 Now to cover the other salesmen you remarked about. The streaming and OTA guys. Well they are in kahoots together! The new system allows for streaming. Now I don't know about other peoples preferences but the studies have shown that people are streaming and mounting antennas. That is a fact weather anyone believes it it not. I really don't care. There are people that think even today the world is flat. So now with the new system the user will not have to do anything but press a button. No web site to go to. No browser or VLC Player to bring up. Just simply press one button on your TV or Tuner remote. Oh yea... I almost forgot.... The tuner box for the next-gen system can be hooked into your network so it can distribute TV throughout the house over WiFi. No wires to run. Don't need no tuner for each room. Wow! That would even keep the cost down per household!

 Finally I thank you for the article. it was very informative. It is also very outdated. But to put my 2 cents worth in on that so every base is covered here.... If you have a cell phone, they already know more about you than any TV system will. So if you have a cell phone and are worried about others getting your data...... Well then you would be known as Schizophrenic in the world of psychiatry. One minute everything is OK. The next everyones out to watch me... That is a classic symptom. The latest on the data collection is that it will be used just ;ike social media. Targeted advertising.

 That is the truth people weather you like it or not. Weather you believe it or not. Is their any hurry to rush out and buy for the new system? No.
But then I wound up buying my first HDTV set late 2008! And no it was not expensive as naysayers said it was going to be. The reason that this was made "Voluntary" to switch is because enough stations are going to change because they need new transmitters ans sticks to move to the mew assigned frequency that they will buy ATSC capable transmitters ans sticks. The rest will either get on board or go the way of the Horse and buggy. That is just a simple fact of life. Either keep up or die as a business.
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