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« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2019, 02:59:23 PM »

Well if the network says they are changing then they are changing. Seems pretty arrogant for anyone, (No Disrespect intended) to ask for a list of all call letters of stations when we all know dang good and well if you are an affiliate then you do what network says. Or you not a network anymore. So when the ABC top dog says they are switching then you is like it or not. In this case all the networks say they are committed. So go search all the stations that are network affiliated yourself. Probably keep you busy typing for a day or three. All I did was show the info about commitment... I didn't ask for a smart remark. Comments like that is why I don't bother posting anything anymore. Take care.

Sort of like all PBS kids stations being ATSC 3.0, correct? Sometimes we read what we want to read instead of what is written.

Nowhere in any of the links does it say any network will only allow ATSC 3.0 stations and not any ATSC 1.0 stations.

Again, a list of stations that will be transitioning to ATSC 3.0 in the next year or two would be nice. This would not be a long list if one was available.
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« Reply #76 on: December 31, 2019, 08:14:52 PM »

ATSC 3.0 will end 2019 pretty much as it began 2019 with a few stations actually transmitting the new format, and with no consumer grade tuners available to receive ATSC 3.0. Rumors of many stations transitioning to ASTC 3.0 before 2019 ended were common in the first part of 2019, and there were speculations that perhaps a few televisions with ATSC 1.0/3.0  tuners would be in stores before 2019 ended.  

In April of 2019, a proposal was made to make ATSC 3.0 a worldwide standard, but that proposal has yet to be finalized. Having ATSC 3.0 accepted as a worldwide standard could help drive the cost down for tuners and other viewing equipment, so it will be interesting to see if anything happens at all in this area during 2020.  A lot of countries have switched to DVB-T2, and this may cause a loss of interest in making ATSC 3.0 a worldwide standard

Cable companies made it very clear in the latter part of 2019 that they were not happy with current ATSC 3.0 rules. Cable companies are very important to stations transitioning to ATSC 3.0 because a large portion of the viewing audience could be lost if cable companies are unable to, or refuse to carry the new ATSC 3.0 signal formats. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out in 2020 and beyond.


2020 Should be the year that ATSC 3.0 is available for viewing by the average consumer. We can expect to see televisions with ATSC 1.0/3.0 revealed at electronics shows, and possibly some televisions with ATSC 1.0/3.0 tuners available in stores by the second quarter of 2020.  USB or other types of ATSC 1.0/3.0 tuners may become available at a price the consumer can afford before the end of 2020. How many stations that actually transition to ATSC 3.0 in 2020 will depend on many things including cable availability, new FCC rulings, and consumer tuner availability.  2020 will be an interesting year for OTA television in the United States.




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« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2020, 08:29:13 PM »

The International Telecommunication Union (ITU) has adopted ATSC 3.0 as a recommended digital broadcast standard. This happened at the beginning of 2020, which could help make ATSC 3.0 products less expensive.

Samsung Electronics Adds NEXTGEN TV to the 2020 QLED 8K Line-up.
This is the first announcement I have seen for an ATSC 1.0/3.0 television, and it is high priced! Usually only the top-end products get the new technology, so no big surprise here. Hopefully a 1.0/3.0 television the average consumer can easily afford will be available before 2020 ends.

Announcements about ATSC 1.0/3.0 usb tuners could come as early as next week. Will be interesting to see the prices of these new tuners.
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« Reply #78 on: January 05, 2020, 02:52:22 PM »

Does this mean that all current tvs boughten and unsold are going to be obsolete?
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« Reply #79 on: January 05, 2020, 03:25:09 PM »

No!  Absolutely not!
At most, current televisions would need an external 3.0 tuner, or 3.0 converter box.

ATSC 3.0 Is moving SLOW. Replacing a television is not something to be concerned about right now. As a rough average, a new market will need to transmit at least one ATSC 3.0 signal every 10 days for the rest of 2020 to make current 2020 projections of 40 markets by years end. We will see...
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« Reply #80 on: January 06, 2020, 12:47:23 PM »

LG announces ATSC 3.0 tuners, but only in the high priced television sets, which would be considered normal. So far ATSC 3.0 capability will come at a much higher price for the consumer.

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ATSC 3.0 (aka NextGen TV) over-the-air tuners: LG's higher-end OLED TVs (the GX series and up) will be among the first to include built-in tuners that work with the next-generation of free antenna TV broadcasts, which are already coming online. They promise 4K HDR compatibility, better reception indoors and more.

Looks like the cheapest estimated price for a television from LG with the ATSC 3.0 tuner would be around $1,000.00.

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« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2020, 10:02:36 PM »

Sony enters the ATSC 3.0 market with the  X900H series, with 55-, 65-, 75- and 85-inch television models.
I do not see any of these new ATSC 3.0 televisions being cheap or affordable to the consumer who has a low budget. This was of course to be expected. It will be interesting to see if the rest of 2020 is any different for ATSC 3.0 consumer products.
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« Reply #82 on: January 09, 2020, 12:00:14 PM »

The reason we are having problems with boxes and TV's coming out is the Dolby AC4 requirement. Plus the FCC drop in the re-pack which is still at 70% completed. Most of the chip-set companies have not adapted the AC4 standard and are working through this. This is an IC chip that needs to be inserted into the board. So without these IC's and authorization Dolby that needs to happen, we are waiting for this to be completed.

Plus the ALP and other standards that most chip-set companies have not completed. This is a very complex system, more than is needs to be. Plus LG still have not completed the early warning system. Again all under the watch of the idiots in the FCC!

Costs of tuners and demodulators, are expensive right now. Actually the demods are very expensive. Plus the DVD standards HEVC, Dolby, HDMI and other standards adds to the costs.

We are having issues that the Chinese chip companies are demanding us to produce in China. So much for a trade agreement. So we have to change to another chip-set for that reason because we still want to produce this with the S2 unit here in Wisconsin.

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« Reply #83 on: January 09, 2020, 04:47:23 PM »

Costs of tuners and demodulators, are expensive right now. Actually the demods are very expensive. Plus the DVD standards HEVC, Dolby, HDMI and other standards adds to the costs.

We are having issues that the Chinese chip companies are demanding us to produce in China. So much for a trade agreement. So we have to change to another chip-set for that reason because we still want to produce this with the S2 unit here in Wisconsin.

Take care,

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The transition from ATSC 1.0 to ATSC 3.0 was never going to happen overnight, and was never going to be cheap. Prices for ATSC 3.0 tuners will continue to stay high until more of them are on the market.
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« Reply #84 on: January 12, 2020, 06:53:14 AM »

Well the high prices held up for only a few days.... Just like I thought, PBS is leading the way....

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« Reply #85 on: January 12, 2020, 10:34:44 AM »

HOW is the Apollo receiver associated with PBS? The Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) does not make receivers.

What is the Total price of the new Apollo receiver?
Are the USB tuners for the Apollo receiver included in the price, or do they have to be purchased separately? What USB tuners are supported?

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« Reply #86 on: January 12, 2020, 02:29:28 PM »

Here's a good link of CES show ATSC 3.0:

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« Reply #87 on: January 14, 2020, 11:37:22 AM »

Thanks for the youtube link. There was not much for ATSC 3.0 this year at CES, but hopefully next year will be better.

The Apollo TV receiver can be described in one sentence:
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Apollo PublicTV Platform is a collaborative effort between WKAR Public Media at Michigan State University and Gaian Solutions to help with the adoption of NextGen TV by public broadcasters.

Hopefully something similar to the Apollo TV receiver will be produced for the consumer at some point in 2020. It is also possible that a version of the Apollo TV receiver will be priced reasonable enough for the consumer to afford, including the price of future usb tuners that are needed to operate it.

Some projections for ATSC 3.0 in 2019 were to have 20 markets running ATSC 3.0 before the end of 2019. This did not happen.

Another projection for ATSC 3.0 was to have 40 markets running ATSC 3.0 before the end of 2020. This projection has now changed to 61 markets which are listed below:

    Atlanta, GA
    Austin, TX
    Baltimore, MD
    Boston, MA
    Buffalo, NY
    Burlington VT/Plattsburgh, NY
    Charleston-Huntington, SC
    Charleston, SC
    Charlotte, NC
    Chattanooga, TN
    Chicago, IL
    Cincinnati, OH
    Cleveland-Akron, OH
    Colombus, OH
    Dallas-Fort Worth, TX
    Davenport, IA/Rock Island-Moline, IL
    Denver, CO
    Detroit, MI
    Flint-Saginaw Bay City, MI
    Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo, MI
    Greenville-Spartansburg-Anderson, SC and Asheville, NC
    Hartford-New Haven, CT
    Houston, TX
    Indianapolis, IN
    Kansas City, KS-MO
    Las Vegas, NV
    Little Rock-Pine Bluff, AR
    Los Angeles, CA
    Memphis, TN
    Miami-Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Milwaukee, WI
    Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN
    Mobile, AL-Pensacola, FL
    Nashville, TN
    New York, NY
    Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News, VA
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Omaha, NE
    Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne, FL
    Philadelphia, PA
    Phoenix, AZ
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Portland, OR
    Providence, RI-New Bedford, MA
    Raleigh-Durham, NC
    Rochester, NY
    Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, CA
    Salt Lake City, UT
    San Antonio, TX
    San Diego, CA
    San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA
    Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-San Luis Obispo, CA
    Seattle-Tacoma, WA
    Springfield, MO
    St. Louis, MO
    Syracuse, NY
    Tampa-St. Petersburg-Sarasota, FL
    Washington, DC
    West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce, FL

It will be interesting to see if the 61 market projection holds true or is surpassed.
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« Reply #88 on: January 14, 2020, 02:50:30 PM »

Thank goodness Fresno, California is not on that list. They have been testing 3.0.  Do any of you remember 3D TV?  Until The cost for a 3.0 tuner becomes affordable, the transition may take awhile.  Jess out in Fresno, California
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« Reply #89 on: January 14, 2020, 04:00:09 PM »

Prices are almost always high when new technology or new devices are introduced. It is also a big investment for television stations as can be seen in the link.

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The investments that large- and medium-market TV stations make in Next Gen TV using the ATSC 3.0 standard can be recouped within three years, according to a new study of the commercial television broadcasting business by BIA/Kelsey.

Three years to recover ATSC 3.0 costs is not a short period of time.
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