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Title: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on October 15, 2017, 09:58:39 AM
Octagon recently released the SX88 fta receiver. This is an entry level receiver with a closed source Linux operating system. The Octagon SX88 has a very good and accurate blindscan, and its tuner is very sensitive. Low symbol rate transponders are not an issue with this receiver.

The Menus for the SX88 are laid out in an easy way, and they should be familiar to anyone that has had an Openbox or other Ali type receiver. The motor controls need some work as the diseqc 1.2 positions are hard coded to the satellite number. I have made a complaint about this, and will see if anything gets done about it. The motor also moves every time a different satellite is selected in the antenna setup menu, and this is another thing I would like to see fixed.

The Octagon SX88 has several media capabilities such as IPTV, and includes a version of Kodi. I have not checked any of the media features to see what they do or how they function. The media does give the box other options, and would be great for someone that cannot get a lot of satellites, or for someone with fast Internet connection.

There are no less than two suppliers who would love to sell the Octagon SX88 in North America. Personally I think it is a great basic receiver and find it fun to play with. The small size of the SX88, and the infrared extension allow the SX88 to be mounted behind the tv or in another unseen location. The SX88 is about the same size or dimensions as a notebook hard drive. I find this receiver runs only warm, and does not get hot as long as there is no more than about 400 milliamps being drawn from the lnb output. I tested the lnb output at approximately 500 milliamps for 1 hour, and noticed the receiver got a bit warmer than I would like.

Would not uprise me a bit to see someone in North America selling these receivers soon. We will see...

Here are links to a couple of blindscan videos that were done by me. This little receiver logged 50 transponders in a blindscan of 116.8W on c band which is very good! The channels scanned without producing duplicate channels.

(97w-Ku)
Code:
https://youtu.be/CfIGCB8Klhc


(116.8w-c)
Code:
https://youtu.be/xoCbxWYBs00


Giftbox picture is attached.





Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: Hyper on October 16, 2017, 06:13:25 PM
Thanks elbandido, that is a nice looking receiver. I found some more info on it, but it is all in German so i cant not read it, lol. But at least i could see a few more pics.


Code:
http://www.octagon-germany.eu/produkte/digital-receiver/hdtv-receiver/satellit-dvb-s2/sx88/




Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on October 16, 2017, 09:58:52 PM
I have all sorts of pictures and videos of this receiver, so that area is not a problem.
Shipping = 20pcs per carton.

Here are the full specs of the SX88 that have been provided to me.

 Main Features:                     
STB Type =    DVB-S/S2 Receiver
Main Chipset = GX 6611
Mechanical = Plastic CASE
Func/Interface   =    LNB IN,RCA, DUAL USB2.0,SPDIF,HDMI,LAN,IR, RS232,CA,DC-12V
Heatsinking = Yes
TUNER Type   = RDA5815m
Demodulator Type =    Internal
SMPS Type = 12V/1.5A Adapter

Ⅱ.Software Features                        
1.Software General Features(DVBS/S2)                     
MPEG = MPEG2, H.264/AVC,  H.265,  HEVC, MP4, AVS+
CA Type = Multi-CAS
SCPC/MCPC = SCPC and MCPC  receivable from C/Ku band satellite
PAL/NTSC = Automatic PAL/NTSC conversion
Channels Number = 5000 channels TV and Radio programmable
Favorites = 16 different favorite groups selection
OSD Language = Multi-language OSD (English, French, German, Italian, Spanish,  Portuguese, Russian,Ukraine, Turkish, Arabic, Polish etc)
EPG   = Fully support to 7 days Electronic Program Guide(EPG)
PIG   = Picture in Graphics(PIG) support
Color OSD = True color On Screen Display
NetSearch =   Automatic network search for newly added transponders
DiSEqC = DiSEqC 1.2 fully support, 13/18V, 0/22K, 0/12V LNB control
Channel Edit = Various channel editing functions(favorite, moving, locking, renaming, deleting and sorting)
Parental Ctrl = Parental control for channels
Easy Menu =   Ease to use Menu System
SoftUpgrade = Software upgrades through interet or USB
Timer =   Support set timer via EPG
Subtitle = Subtitle support DVB EN300743 and EBU-
Teletext = Teletext support DVB ETS300472 by OSD
Save Channel = Automatic save for last channel
Sort Channel = Channel list can be sorted by alphabetic A-Z,Scramble,Favorite,Lock,Sat
USB Disk = Supprot FAT16/FAT32/FAT12/NTFS
Record = 1 recording, then still can timeshift
HDMI Interface = 480i/p, 576i/p, 720p, 1080i,1080p
DLNA = Support DMS and DMR
Network = Support LAN/WIFI/3G
Internet = Support IPTV/Stalker/Youtube/Redtube/Shoutcast/Weather/Filmon/Xtream
Plugin = Support KODI plugin(Optional)

Ⅲ.Hardware Features                        
LNB IN = IEC 169-24, F-Type, Female
AV OUT = 1 ⊙3.5mm EarJACK CVBS,Audio L/R
RS232 =   1 ⊙3.5mm EarJACK
DIGITAL AUDIO = SPDIF Coaxial
USB = 4 PIN Female USB 2.0
HDMI = 19 PIN Female HDMI 1.4
CA = Multi-CAS
POWER = DC12V
IR = 38KHz
LED Indicator = RED:STANDBY;GREEN:Signal Indicator
Battery (Remote) = 2 x 1.5V AAA
Power adaptor = 12V/1.5A

Ⅳ.Electric & Performance                        
1.Main Chip Sets:                     
CPU frequency = 600MHz
Flash Memory = 1PCS  1Gbit/128Mbyte Nand FLASH
SDRAM Memory = 1PCS 128Mx16bit/256Mbyte DDR3
2.DVBS Tuner:                     
Tuner Type = Silicon Tuner RDA5815m
Frequency Range = 950 ~ 2150MHz
Input Impedance   = 75Ω
LNB Power and  Polarization = Vertical 13VDC;Horizontal 18VDC @ 400mA (max) 22KHz±0.4KHz(0.6V±0.2V)tone, Overload Protection
Input Level Range = -75dBm~-25dBm
3.DVBS Channel Decoder:                     
DVBS Demod standard = DVB-S,DVB-S2
DVBS Demodulation = QPSK, 8PSK
DVBS Symbol Rate = 2 ~ 45MSPS
DVBS Code Rate = 1/2,2/3,3/4,5/6,7/8 for DVBS, 1/4,1/3,2/5,1/2,3/5,2/3,3/4,5/6,8/9,9/10 for DVBS2
4.TS Demux:                     
Demultiplexer = MPEG2 ISO/IEC 13818-1
Input Bit Rate = Max 120Mbit/s
5.Video Decode:                     
Video Decode = H.265 video(HEVC/H.265) upto L4.0, H.264 video(ISO/IEC 14496-10) upto L4.1, MPEG-4 video(ISO/IEC 14496-2) up to L5,MPEG2 video( ISO/IEC 13818-2) MP@ML
Aspect Ratio = 4:3、16:9
Video Resolution = 1920x1080,1280x720,720x576,720x480
6.Audio Decode:                     
Audio Decode = MPEG-1 layerI/II,MP3, MPEG-4 AAC and AAC plus(HE-AACv1 and v2), DRA,optionally supports Dolby Digital(AC-3), optically supports Dolby Digital Plus(DD+)
Sound Mode = LEFT/RIGHT/STEREO/MONO
Sampling Frequency = 32KHz、44.1KHz、48KHz
7.AV Output:                     
Video Bandwidth = SD:5.0MHz(-3dB),HD:30MHz(-3dB)
Video Impedance = 75Ω
Video Voltage Level = 1.0 Vp-p
Audio Freq. Range = 20~20KHz
Audio Impedance = 600Ω
Audio Voltage Level = 2V rms(5.6Vp-p)
8.Environment:                     
Input Voltage = AC 100~240V,50Hz/60Hz
Consumption = Max 20W
standby = <0.5W
Temperature = 0~40℃
Humidity = <95%

Software Additions (More Pending):
- added lock function for adult (Parental control)
- extended satellite max number to 250
- extended TP max number to 10000
- extended TP max number of one satellite to 400


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on October 16, 2017, 10:23:30 PM
Here is a telnet query:
Connected to 192.168.1.100.
Escape character is '^]'.
gx6602 login: root
Password:
register python env path...
done!
[root@gx6602 /]# top
Mem: 52404K used, 98468K free, 0K shrd, 3228K buff, 20336K cached
CPU:  0.7% usr  6.5% sys  0.0% nic 92.4% idle  0.0% io  0.0% irq  0.1% sirq
Mem: 52376K used, 98496K free, 0K shrd, 3228K buff, 20336K cached
CPU:  0.5% usr  8.9% sys  0.0% nic 90.2% idle  0.0% io  0.0% irq  0.1% sirq
Load average: 2.28 2.16 1.19 1/77 3326


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: ftasami on October 17, 2017, 08:34:53 AM
Whats the price? These new boxes are high ::sad


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: mopat on October 18, 2017, 07:12:33 AM

Suggested price is 75 Euros or about $88 US.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: n5x on October 18, 2017, 09:08:41 AM
Nice looking box


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: ftasami on October 18, 2017, 11:17:52 AM

Suggested price is 75 Euros or about $88 US.

Those other 4K sellers want around $300. This is good price.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on October 18, 2017, 12:02:08 PM
The SX88 is not a 4K or UHD receiver.
I do not see many 4K channels on fta satellites, and do not have any 4K fta channels that I watch regularly. The price of 4K fta receivers will probably start dropping by very noticeable amounts in 2018.

The SX88 is selling for around 75 Euros or about $88 U.S. dollars in Europe. I would expect the SX88 to cost somewhere between 100-150 dollars (shipped) if someone sold them in North America.
The fta market is shrinking in North America, and participation in fta forums in North America is next to nothing. Less people using fta means you will pay more for fta products.  This is why a receiver that costs 88 dollars in Europe may cost 150 dollars here.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: ftasami on October 18, 2017, 02:40:25 PM
The SX88 is not a 4K or UHD receiver.
I do not see many 4K channels on fta satellites, and do not have any 4K fta channels that I watch regularly. The price of 4K fta receivers will probably start dropping by very noticeable amounts in 2018.

The SX88 is selling for around 75 Euros or about $88 U.S. dollars in Europe. I would expect the SX88 to cost somewhere between 100-150 dollars (shipped) if someone sold them in North America.
The fta market is shrinking in North America, and participation in fta forums in North America is next to nothing. Less people using fta means you will pay more for fta products.  This is why a receiver that costs 88 dollars in Europe may cost 150 dollars here.

Can you get them on ebay for europes price? I thought it was 4k. Ain't h-265 4k?


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on October 18, 2017, 02:52:11 PM
H.265 Is HEVC. This is not 4K. Look in the link for an explanation.
Code:
https://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-hevc-high-efficiency-video-coding-h-265-and-4k-compression-explained/


The Octagon SX88 is advertised on Ebay, but you will have to contact the seller for shipping. Expect anywhere from 20 to 40 dollars to be added to the price for shipping, even thought the receiver weighs a small amount, and is shipped in a small package.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on October 25, 2017, 10:52:32 PM
A test firmware file for the SX88 was released today.
Todays firmware file puts the channels, satellites, and antenna settings into enigma2 format. Doing this allows for existing enigma2 channel editors and satellite.xml files to be installed into the SX88.
I would expect other receivers to add the enigma2 satellite and channel file systems in the future. Doing it this way is a whole lots better than looking for a channel editor that may/may not work, or looking for a North American satellite file.

Setting the SX88 up on the enigma2 satellite and channel file systems also makes it possible for the receiver to blindscan for enigma2 boxes that do not blindscan. This is something that I have wanted for a while.

This new file system for the SX88 is buggy, but I expect it to work correctly soon. Everything is there and working, except the SX88 does not want to accept the modified satellite files I send to it using ftp. We will see....


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on October 26, 2017, 08:20:29 PM
Today I installed my North American satellite file into the SX88 using DreamboxEdit.
This satellite file is used by me in several different enigma2 receivers. I will keep suggesting improvements for this receiver to the developers. The SX88 will be an Excellent fta receiver if only two things can be fixed or changed.






Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on February 07, 2018, 11:07:11 PM
Usually when a closed source receiver is around 6 months old, it will have all of the major software changes that it is going to get. The Octagon SX88 has motor control issues, namely automatically assigning diseqc 1.2 position numbers which I had hoped they would fix. The motor will also move repeatedly in the antenna setup menu as you scroll through the list of satellites that have a dish motor assigned to it. Otherwise, the dish motor controls work pretty much as they should.

I have found some channels that the video stutters on 101W c band. Otherwise, a pretty solid receiver on video decoding.

WebTv, IPTV, Stalker, RedT*be, and some other media plugins are available. The SX88 seems to be a fairly decent media box, but I would prefer a satellite only box. IMO, there are enough great media boxes on the market.

Variants or Variations of the SX88 are starting to appear. Denys Uclan, and the Edision Primo are a couple of models that come to mind. Edision has been great about working with ATSC in enigma2 boxes, so they might add ATSC to the Primo model if possible. Someone of course would need to encourage them to do this, but Edision has been great to work with.

Overall, I think the Octagon SX88 and the receivers like it will take the place of the cheap OpenBox receivers that we had which used Ali chipsets. The SX88 has a good FTA platform, and it could be modified to do more such as DVB-T or ATSC. Edision I think would have more interest in modifying things for North America than any other brand listed in this thread.

Here is a link to the Edision Primo model:
Code:
https://edision.de/produkte/linux-receiver/primo-ip-s2/


It seems Octagon has been having problems with support. In the past, I have seen Octagon do an exceptional job with support, and I do not think their troubles of late reflect on what the company is capable of. Maybe they will get their act together, but I am not really interested in getting another product of theirs until they can get their support issues straightened out.

The Octagon SX88 has been altered so it can blindscan for the Octagon SF4008 which does not have blindscan capability. Satellite and channel files are also interchangeable between these two receivers.
But the motor control issues, the couple of channels that have video jerk in the SX88, plus the lack of providing the promised blindscan and other issues in the SF4008 have caused me to lose faith in the coding capabilities of Octagon as a company for the present time.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: Hyper on February 08, 2018, 07:14:41 PM
Thank you for keeping us up to date on this receiver elbandido, with the good and the bad. It is much appreciated.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: digitaldan on February 16, 2018, 08:38:05 AM
Just FYI for whatever it is worth..... That receiver uses the same brand chip set as the Manhattan 1978. Just tossing that out there.


 Edited to fix any missunderstanding..... Added the word "Brand" so people wouldn't get confused.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on February 16, 2018, 09:49:07 AM
Does the Manhattan 1978 have the same bugs/ video problems as the SX88?
What about the motor controls for the Manhattan 1978? Same problems/issues as the SX88?

Would be nice to see a proper review of the Manhattan 1978. It seems no one has bothered to do that.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: digitaldan on February 16, 2018, 12:03:31 PM
We had that problem. Then fixed it.  ::wink 


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on February 16, 2018, 12:47:24 PM
Which problem(s) did you have and fix???


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: digitaldan on February 16, 2018, 08:25:10 PM
Video hiccuping and the motor controls. There is a problem with a few that don't have some kind of filter in front of the ir sensor that allows interference, but to the best of my knowledge that is being dealt with as they pop up. Not everyone has competing remotes. If I remember correctly, those were the first units? Been over a year.... minds not as it used to be... But I think that's the deal.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on February 17, 2018, 07:40:10 PM
Just FYI for whatever it is worth..... That receiver uses the same chip set as the Manhattan 1978. Just tossing that out there.

No. Do not think so. Here is the RS232 output of the SX88 at boot:
GxLoader v1.9 20140509

cpu family   : CSKY
chip model   : gx3211
board type   : 6622-dvbs2
memory size   : 256 MB
Flash type   : EM73C044
Flash size   : 132 MB
cpu freq   : 594 MHz

memory freq   : 533 MHz


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: digitaldan on February 17, 2018, 08:01:59 PM
GX 6622 is in the 78. All I was referring to was the GX brand of chips for crying out loud. Excuse me for not being specific.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on February 17, 2018, 08:07:59 PM
board type   : 6622-dvbs2
SX88 chip model   : gx3211

What is the 1978 chip model???
Please post the rs232 output of the 1978.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on October 03, 2020, 10:31:27 PM
Over 3 years later, The Octagon SX88 is still getting regular firmware updates with the latest firmware dated 9-27-2020. Other receivers with similar chipsets made  a few firmware updates over a few months until the receivers were sold and then abandoned all support. Octagon is noted for extended support for their closed sourced fta products.

Over time, media plugins such as YouTube and Stalker will quit working unless they are updated. Octagon has shown enough concern to keep the media features operating while making additional tweaks and adjustments to the SX88 receiver.  It would be nice if other receiver brands would continue supporting it a few years after the fta product has been sold instead of supporting it initially then dropping it like a hot potato a few months after it has been introduced.

 


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: Hyper on October 04, 2020, 12:06:29 AM
Over 3 years later, The Octagon SX88 is still getting regular firmware updates with the latest firmware dated 9-27-2020. Other receivers with similar chipsets made  a few firmware updates over a few months until the receivers were sold and then abandoned all support. Octagon is noted for extended support for their closed sourced fta products.

Over time, media plugins such as YouTube and Stalker will quit working unless they are updated. Octagon has shown enough concern to keep the media features operating while making additional tweaks and adjustments to the SX88 receiver.  It would be nice if other receiver brands would continue supporting it a few years after the fta product has been sold instead of supporting it initially then dropping it like a hot potato a few months after it has been introduced.

 


100% agree with you there.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on October 04, 2020, 03:27:39 PM
I have seen threads comparing the blindscan feature of different receiver models. It would be nice to see a thread that compares the length of firmware support for different receiver models. Right now, the AzBox Premium+ and the Optibox receivers would probably be at the top of the list, with many years of enigma2 firmware support for each of these models.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on January 15, 2021, 11:30:03 PM
Currently there is a DVB-S2 transponder on 99w c band that the  Octagon SX88 cannot get. The transponder is 4156H 5790SR QPSK FEC 4/5. Apparently, the SX88, and receivers using similar chpsets cannot process the 4/5 fec when using QPSK?  Octagon is said to be trying to find a solution for the SX-88. Other receivers that are said to be having trouble with this transponder include Linkbox models.

It will be interesting to see if Octagon or anyone else for that matter, fixes this issue. I do not know if the SX-88 tuner does not support a 4/5 fec for QPSK or if the actual problem is something else such as a tuner driver issue. We will see if this is fixed...


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: cyberham on January 16, 2021, 08:18:24 AM
I've been following the issues with the Puerto Rico mux on 99W. What's interesting is that last October 27 when conditions were just right, I was able to receive this mux on my 1.2m dish. At that time, I was able to lock and watch all three channels perfectly using my Edision, GSP microHD and Openbox S9 receivers. I know because I was helping another guy who was having troubles locking this mux with his microHD. Now, maybe something was changed after that date.

After a couple of days in October, I was never able to receive that transponder again on my small dish. This happens sometimes when working with a mini-BUD.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: elbandido on January 16, 2021, 10:00:27 AM
A blindscan log from the MIO in August 2020 shows"auto" for the fec. That is the same as what I got in a blindscan last night. So it is unclear to me if fec is actually the problem. It will be interesting to see if Octagon or someone else fixes it. Or, something may change where the problem no longer exists.


Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: Jeff S. on February 02, 2021, 03:58:53 PM
The reason the the Manhattan RS-1978 did not make changes to our box regarding the IPTV section because we could not. Neither does Octogon, as the factory who made this box has the source codes they will not give up. The only reason that Octogon has those because they continued to purchased this box from the chipset manufacture, something we would not do. Plus the price is down below $20.00 from the factory as the chipset has been discontinued along time ago. 

This is due to other issues with what you indicated on not able to receive other programs that they could not resolve with cheap tuners.  You can still add channels and we offered those channels that no-one else provided. Then just to have them copied by Octogon then added to their box.

What is the purpose of us doing all the heavy lifting.

Then you indicate we did not support it. I still support all of our boxes.  Unlike other boxes in the market whereas they do not even know how they work. You still sell them!

We have decided to move on into more hybrid units and we have more updated products coming in that we can control. That is only way we can support these products and its not through China! Of course some people think this is easy and cheap which it is not.

We started this product for the industry for a low costs product and with another dealer indicated he wanted a lot of these units. He indicated he would showcase this box with his systems to the troops and veterans. So we brought in a lot of inventory. This is how Octogon came into the states, through this dealer who in turn would not sell the product I brought in for him. We had this product out for some time, for only now only to be criticized.   

Then try and produce them here in the states, not an easy tasks and even more difficult when your are taxed 25% on parts. Then only taxed 10% on finished products from China. So all the crap you hear from Washington was just that, total B.S.. So its tough to be in my shoes.

We are working into other areas of the industry to support our dealers better and bringing them new business for them to stay alive. The satellite market cannot support business in just satellite anymore. So we are forced to diversify into adjoining markets like ATSC 3.0 and Next Gen TV. This includes programming and Internet delivery.

With the new chipsets we are getting in that are made in the USA along with our SW team. This has been an expensive venture that may not even pan out. But for the sake of our dealers future,  we are trying our best. Only to be criticized by the very same people who have praised us before and for some people who choose to circumvent and disavow products that disagree with them.

In hearing this, what is even the point of working with them anymore.

Again, I thank the people who have supported our products and understand we will be here with any issues you may have and always continue to support the product.

I continue to reach out to our dealers, just some will not return calls.

My best to you all!

Sincerely,

Jeff Schumann
Manhattan-Digital




Title: Re: Octagon SX88 H.265 HEVC HD
Post by: Hyper on February 08, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
FYI - the last 2 posts in this thread have been removed.


They were not helpful, off topic, and some insults were observed, and we do not need that stuff on this forum.


This thread is closed for now.



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