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« on: Oct 17 2019 07:05:11 »

Wife said NO MORE Antenna's on the roof, so i climbed a tree!

Nothing stops me from my FREE TV!

I find a way!


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« Reply #1 on: Oct 18 2019 10:15:38 »

I'd clear /cut back top of tree by a couple feet and tell wife the limbs were in the way...

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Maybe lock doors when she goes out to look... rolleyes
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 19 2019 05:41:53 »

Get a tv tower she didn't say that.
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 19 2019 08:51:16 »

Get a tv tower she didn't say that.

I had one decades ago when i first bought the place. It came down in a storm, and i was a young buck then, i figured i didnt need to replace it. I had cable back then, hadn't even heard of FTA. Another one of my many mistakes i made when i was a younger man. But no worries. On the tree install, i left a few foot of coax loose up near the antenna, as the tree grows my antnenna will just get higher and better reception. lol.

Back to my tv tower, when it came down, it came down and hung up on a power line, the power line to my house, right next to the road. And right underneath that was a bus stop. I called the power company and they said it would be days until they could address this (it was a big storm). Wanting to protect the kids i thought holy moly, what if the power line breaks and antenna and power line come down on the road right on the bus stop area. So i wedged a ladder under the tower to keep it up. When the power company came out finally, they told me i was an idiot, wedging an aluminum ladder under that could have killed me. Again, i was a young buck back then, not too smart. But i was trying to protect the kids.

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 19 2019 09:38:41 »

One downside to an antenna mounted on a tree... when the tree sways in the wind, the reception may suffer.

Hopefully it will work well for ya.
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 19 2019 09:42:59 »

One downside to an antenna mounted on a tree... when the tree sways in the wind, the reception may suffer.

Hopefully it will work well for ya.


That tree is solid, big old pine, doesnt seem to sway in the wind much.

But we will see, so far so good.


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« Reply #6 on: Nov 26 2019 11:00:30 »

Just about a month later and i have to say this project was 100% successful!

I have the signal split between 2 rooms and everything works great.

No one know's the antenna is in the tree, i even have the coax hidden to the house.


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« Reply #7 on: Nov 27 2019 05:29:41 »

Just about a month later and i have to say this project was 100% successful!

I have the signal split between 2 rooms and everything works great.

No one know's the antenna is in the tree, i even have the coax hidden to the house.


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In your pictures I do not see a ground wire.   I hope you ran a Ground wire to the antenna U bolt.  If you did not you will regret one day when your home burns down after lightning strike the tree and then the TV antenna.  Make sure you also  have a lightning arrestor before the coax enters the house and both are bond  together with the antenna ground  to the electric  utility service at the meter  DAVE
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 27 2019 09:36:30 »

Also, you would need to put a 'lightning loop' in the coax as well before it enters the house. Lightning likes a nice straight path.
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 28 2019 06:09:49 »

In your pictures I do not see a ground wire.   I hope you ran a Ground wire to the antenna U bolt.  If you did not you will regret one day when your home burns down after lightning strike the tree and then the TV antenna.  Make sure you also  have a lightning arrestor before the coax enters the house and both are bond  together with the antenna ground  to the electric  utility service at the meter  DAVE


Now i am bummed right out, but that is sensible advice. Looks like i have more work to do.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 28 2019 07:19:01 »

Question for the experts (DAVE5) and others.

Why would i need to ground the U Bolt for the antenna attached to the tree? I understand grounding the mast pole if attached to the house, but it is not.

Wouldn't all i need to ground is the coax cable running from the antenna and tree to the house? Coax runs down the tree, across the ground (slightly buried) and then into the house via the basement.

My thinking is i simply add a coax grounding block just before coax enters house, grounding it to the house ground?

Am i wrong, or what am i missing?

Please let me know and explain well, i like to learn and i like to be safe. I am a little embarrased i missed this in the first place.

BTW, i do NOT have problems with lightning here, no high lightning hits, etc..

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 28 2019 09:36:27 »

Hyper, you should have a grounding block on the coax, yes.

But also important to have the antenna grounded. It's preferable to have the 'juice' NOT go down the coax... if possible. (Or not as much) Right? Lightning that reaches the grounding block may still arc to something else.

Don't want that coming inside or near the house.  wink

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« Reply #12 on: Nov 29 2019 07:20:20 »

Question for the experts (DAVE5) and others.

Why would i need to ground the U Bolt for the antenna attached to the tree? I understand grounding the mast pole if attached to the house, but it is not.

Wouldn't all i need to ground is the coax cable running from the antenna and tree to the house? Coax runs down the tree, across the ground (slightly buried) and then into the house via the basement.

My thinking is i simply add a coax grounding block just before coax enters house, grounding it to the house ground?

Am i wrong, or what am i missing?

Grounding AT the antenna with separate ground wire is part of NEC Fire code and it must be bonded at the electrical service entry.
   I seen 10 GA used but I would use at least 6 GA copper readily available at the Home Store  or 2 GA in your case stranded if you want commercial standard lightning conductor.  Why so heavy???   Strip off the braid on coax remove completely  from plastic insulating center conductor.  Then stretch it out and you will see it not a heavy of 18 Ga conductor.   Trees do attracted lightning and putting a antenna greatly increase the chance that it will get struck and even a near by strike will destroy the LNB and even the FTA or TV set.   Direct hit always does some damage to HEMT and GasFET in the front end but that to be expected with Gates less than a Micron thick.  More important you will save the home from burning down.
If you read the safety instruction that came with any antenna or even a  Dish it will show what the Minimum amount and how to ground it and meet NEC code.  Now If left a properly grounded antenna or mast on the roof DO NOT take it down.  It will act like a lightning rod and help protect the house.

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Please let me know and explain well, i like to learn and i like to be safe. I am a little embarrased i missed this in the first place.

BTW, i do NOT have problems with lightning here, no high lightning hits, etc..

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 02 2019 06:34:44 »

OK. Thank you for the responses so far. I will have to do some more work to make sure i am grounded as well as possible. Not only this antenna, but some of my other stuff like my BUD dish is not grounded as well as it should be.

But for now, the OTA antenna in the tree (its a small 3ft one)  the coax cable runs into a plastic weatherproof  box on the outside of the house where it enters a AKSA Grounding Block Splitter. From here is a dedicated green ground wire that runs directly to the ground wire and ground rod for the house.   <<< i am pretty sure the house ground would be " bonded at the electrical service entry" as i can see the same heavy braided wire in the house go into the electrical panel. Am i correct in this? So when i ground the antenna itself, i can just run it to the same ground wire/rod outside the house correct?

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« Reply #14 on: Dec 02 2019 07:47:55 »

OK. Thank you for the responses so far. I will have to do some more work to make sure i am grounded as well as possible. Not only this antenna, but some of my other stuff like my BUD dish is not grounded as well as it should be.

But for now, the OTA antenna in the tree (its a small 3ft one)  the coax cable runs into a plastic weatherproof  box on the outside of the house where it enters a AKSA Grounding Block Splitter. From here is a dedicated green ground wire that runs directly to the ground wire and ground rod for the house.   <<< i am pretty sure the house ground would be " bonded at the electrical service entry" as i can see the same heavy braided wire in the house go into the electrical panel. Am i correct in this? So when i ground the antenna itself, i can just run it to the same ground wire/rod outside the house correct?



You have  everything correct and your insurance company will be happy too not having to pay out a claim and keep your rate low.
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