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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2021, 09:24:09 PM »

The Amiko Mini 4K makes a mess when scanning because encrypted Powervu channels are logged as "Free".
A "Free" scan of 101w c band returns 80 TV channels.
A "Free" scan of 103w c band returns 160 TV channels and 4 radio channels.

Some of the Weigel channels on 101w c band will not play on the Amiko Mini 4K. They are found in a blindscan, but return only a black screen when selected.

The Gem channel located on 95w, tp 3914v 2000 SR will also be found in a blindscan but will not play when selected.

Blindscans of 101w and 103w were recorded and the videos may be found in the links.

amiko mini4k-101wc-scan_20210409_2003 .ts (214.2 MB)
Code:
https://mega.nz/file/C8dUCL7B#1dLDVwyctglvjTau8-L3Egy6_x9DzjyUzygnjaT8_eE


amiko mini4k-103wc-scan_20210409_1948 .ts (146.8 MB)
Code:
https://mega.nz/file/XgFyzTbB#B1DzcHAcjoRSIgoGyqIWyOig2Udi1TOmwqgc5vbLLxw
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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2021, 09:42:20 PM »

Amiko was contacted directly about the Amiko Mini 4K rs232 loader program that would be needed to solve a corrupted channel list. Their answer was to send the receiver back for repair. Most likely, I would get charged for shipping in both directions and possibly a small fee for resetting the receiver if I sent it back due to a corrupted channel list being loaded.

The Amiko Mini 4K makes duplicate channels and scans encrypted channels as free. A mess is made after most satellites are scanned. Anytime the channel editor is used, there is a risk of locking the receiver up. I do not recommend the purchase of this receiver until the channel scanning problem is solved.

The Octagon SX88 will dump a bad channel file and reboot. Why can't the Amiko Mini 4K do that? Octagon also supplies a working rs232 loader.  I do not plan to purchase another Amiko product after this experience with their Mini 4K.

97w Ku band has around 120 tv channels on 14 transponders. The Amiko Mini 4K will blindscan this satellite with duplicates if an universal lnb is used. The blindscan works much better if the Universal lnb is set to 10600 and 22KHz tone On. Duplicate channels may be deleted by the receiver IF they are found on the exact same frequency. They are not deleted If duplicate channels are logged on a different frequency.

2 Blindscans of 97w ku were recorded and the videos may be found in the links.

Amiko_Mini4k_97w_10600_scan_20210409_1712 .ts (114.1 MB)
Code:
https://mega.nz/file/jpdmnZja#Re-l1lDeiXxAZlbZUAY3KYq8i02MM92toRFBI9SCnNk

Amiko_Mini4K_97w_Universal_scan_20210409_1715 .ts (167.5 MB)
Code:
https://mega.nz/file/msVQTLhR#cEK9c6_-wc2cuff6KWhy77UVGHIaWXAqveZJ3UHKYds

I do not have any more review comments or observations about this receiver unless something changes.





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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2021, 04:05:32 PM »

Thanks for all of your results eb. You said:  "The blindscan works much better if the Universal lnb is set to 10600 and 22KHz tone On"  << i ALWAYS do things this way with a Universal KU LNBF. Any receiver i have tried using with a Universal LNB will scan duplicates with the 9750/10600 setting and the 22K on auto. At least that is my experience over the years. That said, i use a Standard 10750 LO for Ku Band, and i never get duplicates with that on any receiver including the Amiko 4K UHD S2X.

You also said:

"Here is what needs to be done or fixed:
(1) A proper loader program for recovery of the receiver using rs232.
(2) Duplicate channels in blindscan needs to be fixed.
(3) The logging of Powervu encrypted channels needs to be eliminated from a free scan."

I agree with #1 and #3, have not experienced # 2 but will look into it, and i will start bugging Amiko about this, we will see where this goes.

But that said, there are 2 kinds of FTA users. The hobbyists that like to scan around and play. And the folks who just want to watch TV without a monthly bill. Many folks dont want to mess with channel editors anyways, they just want to watch TV, and deleting some $ channels from the list by remote is not a big deal to them. Of course it would be WAYY better if they didnt have to do this at all. And some of these same folks dont want to take the time to learn the advanced features of some of the other Enigma receivers, nor do they want to spend $200. So for those folks who just want to watch TV, looking for a very easy to use STB that can do 4K UHD, H.265, DVB-S2X and only want to spend around $100, this is a good choice i think. I am having fun with it for sure.

Also, i have played with the editor quite a bit and haven't corrupted it yet < lol  fingers crossed.

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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2021, 04:48:45 PM »

..... Also, i have played with the editor quite a bit and haven't corrupted it yet < lol  fingers crossed.

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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2021, 06:45:21 PM »

I mainly use universal type lnbs because I live in an area that can receive transponders below 11700 MHz. It has been a very long time since I have seen any receiver fta receiver that makes duplicates when blind scanning with an universal lnb, providing the correct settings are used. The last receiver that made an Universal lnb blunder in blind scan that I know about was VU+. The last receiver that I know about where Universal lnb in blind scanned the entire IF range twice has been many years.

Octagon SX88 does not have any Universal lnb blind scanning issues, and neither did the GTMedia V8 that I scanned and setup on a ku dish system last year. Both of these receivers are in the price range of the Amiko Mini 4K, with the GTMedia piece costing roughly half as much. (The GTMedia V8 had a lot of motor issues, and you sort of get what you pay for with that thing... )

Put in a simple way, the Amiko Mini 4K is universal lnb blind scanning the entire IF frequency range Twice, which is around 950-2150 MHz. This is why there are duplicate channels.
More or less, it should scan like this:
22KHz Tone = Off
Scan 950 - 1950 MHz
9750 + 950 = 10700
9750 + 1950 = 11700
22 KHz Tone = On
Scan 1100 - 2150 MHz
10600 + 1100 = 11700
10600 + 2150 =  12750

Instead, the Amiko Mini 4K scans like this:
22KHz Tone = Off
Scan 950 - 2150 MHz
9750 + 950 = 10700
9750 + 2150 = 11900
22 KHz Tone = On
Scan 950 - 2150 MHz
10600 + 950 = 11550
10600 + 2150 =  12750

This is an oversight in coding and can be easily fixed.
(It could be worse: Vu+ left out the 22KHz tone control in the Zero 4K receiver.)

As for not seeing the duplicate channels in blindscan, My last blindscans only found around 120 tv channels on 97w ku using a 2.4 meter dish with a pair of iDirect lnbs. How did you manage to find a lot more than that without getting any duplicates?
04/01/2021

Amiko Mini 4K UHD S2X

Galaxy 19 97.0W Ku Band

1 minute 43 seconds

199 TV

46 Radio

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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2021, 07:00:56 PM »

Off the top of my head, i think that is as simple as a typo. I kinda remember i think it should have said 129 TV, there has been way less than 199 TV channels on this sat for a long long time as i am sure you know. But let me do a new scan. Will update this post in a couple moments ...

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Yep, new fresh scan just now 04/12/2021, using Amiko 4K UHD S2X

Galaxy 19 97.0W Ku

119 TV

49 Radio


Absolutely no duplicates.


I am using a GeosatPro SL1 PLL LNB on a GeosatPro 90CM Ku dish.


Also, i fixed that post in the Blind Scan Wars Part 2 thread, sorry about that (typo).



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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2021, 10:13:51 PM »

Excellent!!!
I am glad there are not problems with the 10750 lnb!

Anytime a blue channel is displayed in the scan means it is a duplicate. I have found several blue channels in my recorded c band scans. Almost every scanned satellite has them. It is possible these blue channels are just the same names on different transponders? I have not looked into it enough to know if these blue channels are harmless or if there is a channel duplicate problem in c band blind scanning.

I don't find scanning a bunch of encrypted channels that you cannot watch to be fun, especially when the risk of cleaning them up with a buggy editor belongs to me. The receiver is no longer a cheap receiver of around a hundred dollars if you have to pay shipping both ways for someone to un-jam it because of a corrupted sat or channel file. This is my number one concern, and is the main reason my Mini 4K is retired.

The signal meter does not work either. It shows full strength until the signal is too weak to lock on my antenna system.
Then there is the channels that mix and do not work on 101w. Most likely, this problem will exist on any two c or ku transponders that are around 4 MHz apart, are on the same polarity, and have a similar symbol rate. This issue and the signal meter issue might be in the tuner driver and should be fixable. Actually about everything I have found wrong with this box except for the picture could be easily fixed, but I don't think Amiko is interested as the product has been out for some months now. I assume it will be mostly what it is now, years from now. We will see...
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2021, 10:54:40 AM »

Just did a test with my Amiko Mini HD265, using a universal LNB, and there wasn't any channel duplicates when blind scanning, nor did I see any duplicate transponders listed during the scan. The satellite I have the LNB on does have transponders in the 11700 to 11900 range (99W).

On the Amiko Mini HD265, a blue channel during scanning means that the channel is already in your channel list at that frequency. New channels found are displayed in white. I assume the same is for the new receiver.

Just to note, my AZBox Ultra HD also has never had any problems with Universal LNBs.

EDIT: Just watched your video, and my Amiko did not do the lower frequencies H and V and then switch to the higher frequencies, just did H for the full spectrum, and then the V.
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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2021, 12:34:45 PM »

As far as channel editing, does the receiver not have a channel editor in the "Services" directory called "Organizing Services"? The Amiko Mini HD265 has this, where you can delete individual or a group of channels at one time, or move individual or a group of channels at one time. At least on the Amiko Mini HD265 it makes the use of an outside editor rather redundant for those type of mass changes.

If it doesn't, then since the menus between the two receivers seem almost identical, you would think it could easily be added by request.
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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2021, 02:49:57 PM »

Thanks for the information Keith!
The blue channels I think are about identical in your receiver and the Amiko Mini 4K.
To be clear, you would probably average around 50 unwanted scrambled channels every time a c band satellite is scanned. Some satellites would have more than 50, and some would have less than 50.
Blindscan a few c band satellites, and you will have several hundred unwanted, scrambled channels. The Ku satellites do not really have this problem.  Hopefully this scrambled channel issue and the universal lnb scan issue will be fixed at some future point in time. We will see...
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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2021, 04:15:23 PM »

Yes, most Ku satellites have few scrambled channels, unless you get bleed-over from one of the DBS satellites, such as 91W. Of course, it is easy either to delete the transponders, or use the built-in editor. It certainly would be a big pain when I scan 118.8/119W looking for free channels if all scrambled channels also showed up which would require massive editing.

I wish I did have that problem with C band, but, unfortunately, I don't have a C band dish!

From what I have read on many forums, Amiko seems to have been fairly responsive to requests in the past, hopeful the same will still apply to these problems and a correction will be forthcoming.
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